Monday, May 22, 2006

THE AGE OF THE UNIVERSE - By: Dr. Gerald Schroeder (This text found May 22, 2006 - current update at the linked source - October 2013)

At this website by various means we seek to defend life, to encourage Christian faith, to promote Catholic tradition, to edify Marriage in its link to the Creator, to encourage families and individuals, and to support missionary disciples of Jesus.  G.S.

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THE AGE OF THE UNIVERSE

By: Dr. Gerald Schroeder

(This text found May 22, 2006 - current update October 2013) 

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In our discussion of God’s making and creating our magnificent universe, we’ve reached the stage at which we must elaborate on the time-line as described in Genesis chapter one. From comments submitted by readers of the pervious chapters in our Genesis Project, there seems to be the impression that we differ from the Biblical statement that six days passed between the creation of the universe and the creation of humankind. I make this definitive: I take the Bible as it stands.

Yet, one of the most obvious perceived contradictions between Torah and science is the age of the universe. Is it billions of years old, like scientific data, or is it thousands of years, like Biblical data? When we add up the generations of the Bible, we come to 5700-plus years. Whereas data from the Hubbell telescope or from the land based telescopes in Hawaii, indicate the age at 14 to 15 billion years.

Let me clarify right at the start. The world may be only some 6000 years old. God could have put the fossils in the ground and juggled the light arriving from distant galaxies to make the world appear to be billions of years old. There is absolutely no way to disprove this claim. God being infinite could have made the world that way. But there is another approach that also agrees with the ancient commentators’ description of God and nature. The world may be young and old simultaneously, and simultaneously with absolutely no bending of the wording of the Bible to match science. In the following I describe this latter option. Please bear with me as we go together through the text of Genesis, finding the “apples of gold” [the deeper meanings] within the “silver dish” of the Bible (see Proverbs 25:11).

In all that follows and in all of my research and writings, I refuse to use any modern Biblical commentary. All modern commentators know sufficient modern science to be influenced by the science. The trend becomes to bend the Bible to match the science. The classic example is to claim that since science has discovered that the world appears to be approximately 14 to 15 billion years old, then “let’s says that the six days of Genesis were not really days, but instead were indefinite, long periods of time.”  Rest assured, you will not get that insulting, trivial and misleading message here. It is simply a modern attempt to bend the Bible to match the science. We’ll discover that there is no need to either bend the Bible or the science. As the 12th century theologian Maimonides taught in The Guide For The Perplexed. If you find a conflict between science and the Bible, there is usually one of two possibilities. Either you don’t understand the science or you don’t understand the Bible. Let’s try to understand both.

The only data I use as far as Biblical commentary goes is ancient commentary. That means the text of the Bible itself (3300 years ago), the translation of the Torah into Aramaic by Onkelos (100 CE), the Talmud (redacted about the year 500 CE), and the three major Torah commentators. There are many, many commentators, but at the top of the mountain there are three: Rashi (11th century France), who brings the straight understanding of the text, Maimonides (12th century Egypt), who handles the philosophical concepts, and then Nahmanides (13th century Spain), the earliest of the Kabbalists.

These ancient commentaries were finalized hundreds or thousands of years ago. There is no possibility modern scientific data influenced these concepts. That's an essential and absolute component in keeping the following discussion objective.

At the out-set, it is instructive to look historically at trends in the assumed age of the universe. Absolute proofs are not forthcoming. None-the-less, we can and should see how science has changed its picture of the world, relative to the unchanging Biblical picture of the Genesis of our world.

In 1959, a survey was taken of leading American scientists. Among the many questions asked was, "What is your concept of the age of the universe?" In 1959, astronomy was popular, but a deep understanding the universe was just developing. The response to that survey was recently republished in Scientific American - the most widely read science journal in the world. Two-thirds of the scientists, that is the overwhelming majority, gave the same answer: Beginning? There was no beginning. Aristotle and Plato taught us 2400 years ago that the universe is eternal. Oh, we know the Bible says 'In the beginning.' That's a nice story, it helps kids go to bed at night. But we sophisticates know better. There was no beginning.

That was 1959, less than 50 years ago. Then came the discoveries, in 1965, by Arno Penzias and Robert Wilson. They revealed that the entire universe in all directions is bathed in a sea of very long wave of very ‘cold,’ radiation. They had discovered the echo of the big bang, the radiation left over from that intense vastly hot moment that marked the beginning. It was the one piece of information needed to nail down whether or not our universe had a beginning. For this they earned the Nobel Prize. Over night the world paradigm changed from a universe that was eternal to a universe that had a creation. Understand the impact. Science said that our universe had a beginning, that the first words of the Bible are correct. I can't over emphasize the importance of this scientific "discovery." Evolution, cave men, these are all trivial problems compared to the fact that science has come to agree with the Biblical statement that our universe had a creation.

Of course, the fact that there was a beginning does not prove that there was a Beginner, a God who “created the Heavens and the Earth." Physics allows for a beginning without a beginner. But having proven that there was a creation goes a long way toward opening the door for the likelihood of a Divine, Godly Creator. I'm not going to get into that today, but my book, "The Science of God," examines this in great detail.

Having established the validity of the Creation, the question we're left with is, how long ago did the "beginning" occur? Was it, as the Bible might imply, 5700-plus years, or was it the billions of years accepted by the scientific community?

The Biblical calendar is calculated by adding up the generations listed in the Bible. But the first aspect we have to understand is the zero point at which we start the calculation. This was established well over 1500 years ago and recorded in the Talmudic teachings, not as some new and surprising fact, but as common knowledge. The Biblical calendar is divided into two parts. We have a clock that begins with Adam. The six days of Genesis that lead up to Adam form a calendar unto themselves, separate from the time after Adam. The Bible has two clocks.

That might seem like a modern rationalization, if it were not for the established fact that Talmudic commentaries, 1500 years ago, bring this information. The calendar that leads to approximately 6,000 years begins with Genesis, chapter one, verse 27 in which God created the soul of the Adam. [Beware of erroneous translations.] The Six Days of Genesis are separate.

Now 1500 years ago, when this information was first recorded, it wasn't because the commentators were trying to match science. Remove yourself from the sophistication of 2006. You have to put yourself in the mind frame of 1500 years ago, when people traveled by donkeys and we didn't have electricity or even zippers. Most thought the world was flat and beasts or demons inhabited the other side. The Six Days were taken out of the calendar because time as described in the Bible is broken into two parts. Time is described in a unique manner in those Six Days of Genesis. "There was evening and morning," day by day.

Once we come to Adam, the flow of time is totally in human terms. Adam and Eve live 130 years and have a child named Seth. Seth lives 105 years and has a child named Enosh (Genesis chapter 5). From Adam forward, the flow of time is totally human in concept. Vastly differing from the previous "evening and morning" sequences.

Moses, himself, broke the calendar into two parts. In his closing speech to the people, Moses said if you want to see the fingerprint of God in the universe, "Remember the days of old, consider the years of the many generations" (Deut. 32:7). The Kabalist Nahmanides (ca. 1250) taught that  ‘Remember the days of old’ relates is the Six Days of Genesis. ‘The years of the many generations' is all the time from Adam forward." ??

In trying to understand the flow of time, we have to remember that the entire Six Days is described in 31 sentences. The Six Days of Genesis, which have given people so many headaches in trying to understand science vis-à-vis the Bible are confined to 31 sentences! At MIT, in the Hayden library, we had about 50,000 books that deal with the development of the universe: cosmology, chemistry, thermodynamics, paleontology, archaeology, the high-energy physics of creation. Up the river at Harvard, at the Weidner library, they probably have 100,000 books on these same topics. The Bible gives us 31 sentences. Don't expect that by a simple reading of those sentences, you'll know every detail that is held within the text. It's obvious that we have to dig deeper to get the information out.

Now, again, put yourself into the mindset of 1500 years ago. Do you think that 1500 years ago they thought that God couldn't make the world in 6 days? We have a problem today with the claims of an old universe based on scientific data. But 1500 years ago, what's the problem with 6 days for an infinitely powerful God? No problem. If fact if we think about it, six days is not too short a time. It is too long! Why should an infinitely powerful creator need six days. Why not have it all in a snap of the Divine fingers.

So when the commentators excluded these six days from the calendar, it wasn't because they were trying to rationalize what they'd seen in some telescope or the local museum. There were no telescopes and no local museum. No one was out there digging up ancient fossils. They excluded the Six Days of Genesis from the calendar because those days do not fit.

Let's look at those evocative Six Days of Genesis as they are recoded in the Bible.

Each day of creation is numbered. Yet there is discontinuity in the way the days are numbered. At the end of the first day, we read: "There is evening and morning, day one." But the second day doesn't say "evening and morning, day two." Rather, we find "evening and morning, a second day." And the Torah continues with this pattern: "Evening and morning, a third day... a fourth day... a fifth day... the sixth day." Only on the first day does the text use a different form: not "first day," but "Day One" ("Yom Ehad"). Many English translations make the mistake of writing "a first day." That's because editors want things to be nice and consistent. But they throw out the cosmic message in the text! As Nahmanides wrote almost 800 years ago, there is a qualitative difference between "one" and "first." One is absolute; first is comparative. For the Bible to have written “a first day,” there would have had to have been a second day. First is relative to the second.

Nahmanides explained and scientific opinion centuries later confirmed that on Day One time was created. Hence at the creation, there was no second day with which to compare it. That by itself is a phenomenal insight. Time was created. You can't grab time. You don't even see it. You can move your hand through space, you can see matter, you can feel energy. I understand a creation there. But the creation of time? Eight hundred years ago, Nahmanides attained this insight from the Torah's use of the phrase, "Day One.”

We look at the universe, and wonder about its age? We look back through the history of the world’s genesis and discover the billions of years from the creation of Adam back to the creation of our universe. That's our view of time. But the Bible's view of that same flow of events is seen, not as history looking back in time, but instead from the beginning looking forward. That is the secret, the ‘golden apple,’ of the verse, “and there was evening and there was morning, one day.” A view from a moment before which there was a second day with which to compare it.

This might imply that perhaps those unique six days were not actually 24 hours each. But this is not the case. No such simple explanation is possible because every ancient commentary, with no exception, and that includes the Talmud (in the section called Holidays, ca. 500), and Rashi (ca. 1090), and Nahmanides (that is the kabala, ca. 1250) all tell us that the Six Days of Genesis were six 24-hour periods “not longer than the six days of our work week. [!]”

Nachmanides continues the statement: although the days are 24 hours each, they contain "kol yemot ha-olam" - all the ages and all the secrets of the world. Six 24 hour days contain all the ages of the universe. How?

Again, the Kabala as derived from the Bible: Before the universe, there was only God. Then suddenly the entire creation appeared as a minuscule speck, with a dimension not larger than the black pupil of an eye, perhaps akin to the size of a grain of mustard. That was the only physical creation. There was no other physical creation. All other creations were spiritual. The creations of the Nefesh (the soul of animal life, Genesis 1:21) and the Neshama (the soul of human life, Genesis 1:27) are spiritual creations. That first speck of space contained all the substance that would be used for making everything else. Nachmanides describes the substance as "dak me'od, ein bo mamash" - very thin, no graspable substance to it. As this speck expanded out, this substance - so thin that it has no material essence - turned into matter as we know it.

Nachmanides further writes: "Misheyesh, yitfos bo zman" - from the moment that matter formed from this substance-less substance, time grabs hold. Not "time begins," but “time grabs hold.” Time was created at the very beginning. But time "grabbed hold" when matter condensed, congealed, coalesced, out of this substance so thin it has no material essence. The Biblical clock of the six days starts then.

Science has shown that only one "substance-less substance" exists that can be compressed so densely that all the eventual matter of the universe, the makings for 100 billion galaxies each to contain 100 billion stars, can be pressed into a speck no larger that the black of an eye, and that can later then change into matter. And that is energy, the super-powerful light beams of the creation. Energy is ultimately compressible. Einstein's famous equation, E=MC2, tells us the numerical relationship between matter and the energy from which is it constructed. At the speed of light, time does not exist. Once light beams change form and become matter, they enter the realm of time. Time literally grabs hold when matter forms from the light beams of the big bang creation. Keep in mind that this understanding of our cosmic genesis was written centuries prior to the scientific discoveries that have confirmed it.

Nachmanides has made a phenomenal statement. I wonder if he knew the Laws of Relativity. But we know them now. We know that energy - light beams, radio waves, gamma rays, x-rays - all travel at the speed of light, 300 million meters per second. At the speed of light, time does not pass. The universe was aging, but time only grabbed hold when matter formed from the energy. This moment of time before the Biblical clock begins lasted about 1/100,000 of a second. A miniscule time. But in that time, the universe expanded from a tiny speck. The Biblical clock, the Biblical perspective of time for the six days, begins here.

The laws of relativity and the discoveries of astronomy and cosmology tell us that three aspect of our wonderful universe affect the flow and perception of time. In locations of high velocity or high gravity time flows more slowly relative to (and hence the name, the laws of relativity) locations of lower velocity or gravity. The third aspect that affects the perspective of time is the stretching of space as the universe expands. It is this third aspect of time with which I work. Gravity and velocity do not enter the calculations.

We look back in time, and say the universe is approximately 14 to 15 billion years old. But every scientist knows, that when we say the universe is 15 billion years old, there's another half of the sentence that we never say. The full statement sentence is: The universe is 14 to 15 billion years old as measured from the time-space coordinates that we exist in on earth. But what would those billions of years be as perceived from near the beginning looking forward, from a moment in time when the universe was vastly smaller? Since then, the universe has expanded out. Space stretched. And that stretching of space totally changes the perception of time. The following discussion is based totally on Nahmanides and the Kabala’s millennia old insight of viewing time from near the beginning and the effect of the stretching of space on the perspective of time.

If we were to view with some superbly powerful telescope events happening in a galaxy billions of light years away, we’d see those events only after the light had traveled to us through the space between the distant galaxy and us. But as the light traveled, the space through which it sped was stretching, and so the events as we viewed them would be stretched out in time. What may have happened in a few seconds could appear to use as happening in periods of hours or years or millennia depending upon how much space had stretched. If the universe had stretched to be 100 times larger by the time the light reached us, then what actually took one hour would appear to us as taking 100 hours, if one second then to us it would appear a 100 seconds. To know the actual timing on that distant galaxy, we’d have to divide our observation by that ratio factor of stretching. In this case it would be dividing by100.

Today, we look back in time. We see some 15 billion years of history. But the Torah, looking forward from when the universe was vastly smaller - billions of times smaller – teaches six days. In truth, they are both correct. And correct with absolutely no bending of either the Bible or the science.

What's exciting about the last few years in cosmology is we now have quantified the data to know the relationship of the "view of time" from the beginning, relative to the "view of time" today. It's not science fiction any longer. Any one of a dozen physics or astronomy textbooks all bring the same number. The general expansion factor, the change between the scale or size of the universe from near the beginning at the moment of stable matter formation (nucleosynthesis is the term) to now is a million million, a trillion. That's a 1 with 12 zeros after it. It is a unitless ratio. The universe is now a trillion times larger than it was at nucleosynthesis. When a view from the beginning looking forward says "The following events happened in one day," we would see those very same events lasting a trillion days. That's the stretching effect of the expansion of the universe. In astronomy, the term is “red shift.

The Torah tells us that from the perspective of Day One, six days passed between the creation of the universe and the creation of Adam. How would we see those six days? From our perspective in time, looking back into history those six 24 hour periods would stretch into six million million days.

Six million million days is a very interesting number. What would that be in years? Divide by 365 and it comes out to be 16 billion years. Not a bad ‘guess’ for 3300 years ago. When we correct for the fact that Adam received the Neshama, the soul of human life, during the sixth day and not at its very end and so less than six complete days passed, and for the recent observations that the universe is actually increasing in its rate of expansion, the calculated age of the universe decreases by approximately 10% to 14 billion years.

The way the scientific and the Biblical ‘ages’ match is extraordinary. I'm not speaking as a theologian; I'm making a scientific claim. I didn't pull these numbers out of hat. That's why I led up to the explanation very slowly, so the derivation based totally on ancient biblical commentary and modern science can be followed step-by-step.

Now we can go one step further. Let's look at the development of time, day-by-day. Every time the universe increases in scale by a given factor, the time as perceived at the beginning is divided by that same factor. When the universe was small, its rate of doubling was very rapid. But as the universe got larger, the time it took to double in scale took ever longer. This rate of expansion is quoted in "The Principles of Physical Cosmology," a textbook published by Princeton University Press, and used literally around the world. The decreasing in the factorial rate of growth tells us that the early 24 hour days of the Genesis week contained most of the historical time as we perceive it.

The calculations come out to be as follows:

The first of the Biblical days lasted 24 hours, viewed from the "beginning of time perspective." But the duration from our perspective was 8 billion years.

The second day, from the Bible's perspective lasted 24 hours. From our perspective it lasted half of the previous day, 4 billion years.

The third 24 hour day also included half of the previous day, 2 billion years.

The fourth 24 hour day - one billion years.

The fifth 24 hour day - one-half billion years.

The sixth 24 hour day - one-quarter billion years.

When we add up the Six Days, we find that the time between the big bang creation and the creation of the Adam is 15 and 3/4 billion years. Again, correcting for the fact that Adam received the Neshama part way through the sixth day and that the universe is actually increasing in its rate of expansion, the age becomes approximately 14 billion years. The same as modern cosmology. Is it by chance?

But there's more. The Bible is so certain that it brings the truth that it tells us what happened on each of those days. Now you can take cosmology, paleontology, archaeology, and look at the history of the world, and see whether or not they match the Biblical claims day-by-day. And I'll give you a hint. They match up close enough to send chills up the spine of even a confirmed atheist.

 

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Applying the above, with the adjustment suggested at the end, here are the numbers we come up with:

Day one - 6.9942856 billion years ago                                            LIGHT

Second day - 3.495 billion years ago                                                SKY (PLANET EARTH)

Third day - 1.7475 billion years ago                                                 DRY LAND & VEGETATION

Fourth day - 0.87375 billion years ago or 873,750,000 years ago     SUN, MOON, STARS

Fifth day - 0.436875 billion years ago or 436,875,000 years ago      BIRDS & FISH 

Sixth day - 0.2184375 billion years ago or 218,437,500 years ago    CATTLE, ANIMALS, INSECTS
                (Human beings coming at the "end" of this period)                    MAN & WOMAN 

Today - 13.765847 or 13,765,847,000 billion years later 

FASCINATING!!! 

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Thursday, May 18, 2006

The One Church of Jesus Coming - By Fr. Thomas Ryan, C.S.P. in "A Survival Guide For Ecumenically Minded Christians"

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The One Church of Jesus Coming
By Fr. Thomas Ryan, C.S.P. in
A Survival Guide For Ecumenically Minded Christians
When God puts us back together again, with the aide of our 
willingness to cooperate, this great church will be marked by....
The DIGNITY and SCHOLARSHIP of the ANGLICANS
The ORDER and SACRAMENTS of the ROMAN CATHOLICS
The warm FELLOWSHIP of the METHODISTS
The PRESBYTERIAN desire for GOOD PREACHING
The LUTHERAN respect for SOUND THEOLOGY
There will be
The BAPTIST concern for INDIVIDUAL SALVATION
The CONGREGATIONAL respect for the RIGHTS OF THE LAY MEMBERS
The PENTECOSTAL reliance on the power of THE HOLY SPIRIT
The QUAKER appreciation for SILENCE
The MENNONITE sense of COMMUNITY
The SALVATION ARMY'S respect for SOCIAL ACTION
The REFORMED love of THE HOLY BIBLE

(And may I be so bold as to add...
The EVANGELICAL zeal for proclaiming the GOSPEL.... - G.S.)
All wrapped in ORTHODOX REVERENCE before the MYSTERY OF GOD!
 

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Tuesday, February 21, 2006

When Muslims divided people into Muslims and non-Muslims, and called to fight others until they believe in what they themselves believe, they began this war.

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Feb 21, 2006                 
View This Video                           MEMRI TV  
  
Arab-American Psychiatrist Wafa Sultan: There Is No Clash of Civilizations but a Clash between the Mentality of the Middle Ages and That of the 21st Century 

#1050 | 05:28
Source: Al-Jazeera Network (Qatar)

Following are excerpts from an interview with Arab-American psychiatrist Wafa Sultan. The interview was aired on Al-Jazeera TV on February 21, 2006

Wafa Sultan: The clash we are witnessing around the world is not a clash of religions, or a clash of civilizations. It is a clash between two opposites, between two eras. It is a clash between a mentality that belongs to the Middle Ages and another mentality that belongs to the 21st century. It is a clash between civilization and backwardness, between the civilized and the primitive, between barbarity and rationality. It is a clash between freedom and oppression, between democracy and dictatorship. It is a clash between human rights, on the one hand, and the violation of these rights, on other hand. It is a clash between those who treat women like beasts, and those who treat them like human beings. What we see today is not a clash of civilizations. Civilizations do not clash, but compete.

[...]

Host: I understand from your words that what is happening today is a clash between the culture of the West, and the backwardness and ignorance of the Muslims?

Wafa Sultan: Yes, that is what I mean.

[...]

Host: Who came up with the concept of a clash of civilizations? Was it not Samuel Huntington? It was not Bin Laden. I would like to discuss this issue, if you don't mind...

Wafa Sultan: The Muslims are the ones who began using this expression. The Muslims are the ones who began the clash of civilizations. The Prophet of Islam said: "I was ordered to fight the people until they believe in Allah and His Messenger." When the Muslims divided the people into Muslims and non-Muslims, and called to fight the others until they believe in what they themselves believe, they started this clash, and began this war. In order to stop this war, they must reexamine their Islamic books and curricula, which are full of calls for takfir and fighting the infidels.

My colleague has said that he never offends other people's beliefs. What civilization on the face of this earth allows him to call other people by names that they did not choose for themselves? Once, he calls them Ahl Al-Dhimma, another time he calls them the "People of the Book," and yet another time he compares them to apes and pigs, or he calls the Christians "those who incur Allah's wrath." Who told you that they are "People of the Book"? They are not the People of the Book, they are people of many books. All the useful scientific books that you have today are theirs, the fruit of their free and creative thinking. What gives you the right to call them "those who incur Allah's wrath," or "those who have gone astray," and then come here and say that your religion commands you to refrain from offending the beliefs of others?

I am not a Christian, a Muslim, or a Jew. I am a secular human being. I do not believe in the supernatural, but I respect others' right to believe in it.

Dr. Ibrahim Al-Khouli: Are you a heretic?

Wafa Sultan: You can say whatever you like. I am a secular human being who does not believe in the supernatural...

Dr. Ibrahim Al-Khouli: If you are a heretic, there is no point in rebuking you, since you have blasphemed against Islam, the Prophet, and the Koran...

Wafa Sultan: These are personal matters that do not concern you.

[...]

Wafa Sultan: Brother, you can believe in stones, as long as you don't throw them at me. You are free to worship whoever you want, but other people's beliefs are not your concern, whether they believe that the Messiah is God, son of Mary, or that Satan is God, son of Mary. Let people have their beliefs.

[...]

Wafa Sultan: The Jews have come from the tragedy (of the Holocaust), and forced the world to respect them, with their knowledge, not with their terror, with their work, not their crying and yelling. Humanity owes most of the discoveries and science of the 19th and 20th centuries to Jewish scientists. 15 million people, scattered throughout the world, united and won their rights through work and knowledge. We have not seen a single Jew blow himself up in a German restaurant. We have not seen a single Jew destroy a church. We have not seen a single Jew protest by killing people. The Muslims have turned three Buddha statues into rubble. We have not seen a single Buddhist burn down a Mosque, kill a Muslim, or burn down an embassy. Only the Muslims defend their beliefs by burning down churches, killing people, and destroying embassies. This path will not yield any results. The Muslims must ask themselves what they can do for humankind, before they demand that humankind respect them.

https://www.memri.org/tv/arab-american-psychiatrist-wafa-sultan-there-no-clash-civilizations-clash-between-mentality

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Sunday, August 17, 2003

Astrologers Fail To Predict Proof They Are Wrong By Robert Matthews of The Telegraph - London UK - August 17, 2003

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Astrologers Fail To Predict Proof They Are Wrong By Robert Matthews 

telegraph.co.uk           (Filed: 17/08/2003)

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1439101/Astrologers-fail-to-predict-proof-they-are-wrong.html

Good news for rational, level-headed Virgoans everywhere: just as you might have predicted, scientists have found astrology to be rubbish, writes Science Correspondent Robert Matthews.

Good news for rational, level-headed Virgoans everywhere: just as you might have predicted, scientists have found astrology to be rubbish.  Its central claim - that our human characteristics are moulded by the influence of the Sun, Moon and planets at the time of our birth - appears to have been debunked once and for all and beyond doubt by the most thorough scientific study ever made into it.

            For several decades, researchers tracked more than 2,000 people - most of them born within minutes of each other. According to astrology, the subject should have had very similar traits.  The babies were originally recruited as part of a medical study begun in London in 1958 into how the circumstances of birth can affect future health.  More than 2,000 babies born in early March that year were registered and their development monitored at regular intervals.  Researchers looked at more than 100 different characteristics, including occupation, anxiety levels, marital status, aggressiveness, sociability, IQ levels and ability in art, sport, mathematics and reading - all of which astrologers claim can be gauged from birth charts.

            The scientists failed to find any evidence of similarities between the "time twins", however. They reported in the current issue of the Journal of Consciousness Studies: "The test conditions could hardly have been more conducive to success . . . but the results are uniformly negative."  Analysis of the research was carried out by Geoffrey Dean, a scientist and former astrologer based in Perth, Australia, and Ivan Kelly, a psychologist at the University of Saskatchewan, Canada.

            Dr Dean said the results undermined the claims of astrologers, who typically work with birth data far less precise than that used in the study. "They sometimes argue that times of birth just a minute apart can make all the difference by altering what they call the 'house cusps'," he said. "But in their work, they are happy to take whatever time they can get from a client."  The findings caused alarm and anger in astrological circles yesterday. Roy Gillett, the president of the Astrological Association of Great Britain, said the study's findings should be treated "with extreme caution" and accused Dr Dean of seeking to "discredit astrology". 

Frank McGillion, a consultant to the Southampton-based Research Group for the Critical Study of Astrology, said of the newly published work: "It is simplistic and highly selective and does not cover all of the research." He added that he would lodge a complaint with the editors of the journal.  Astrologers have for centuries claimed to be able to extract deep insights into the personality and destiny of people using nothing more than the details of the time and place of birth.  Astrology has been growing in popularity.  Surveys suggest that a majority of people in Britain believe in it, compared with only 13 per cent 50 years ago. The Association of Professional Astrologers claims that 80 per cent of Britons read star columns, and psychological studies have found that 60 per cent regularly read their horoscopes.

            Despite the scepticism of scientists, astrology has grown to be a huge worldwide business, spawning thousands of telephone lines, internet sites and horoscope columns in newspapers and magazines.  It seems that no sector of society is immune to its attraction. A recent survey found that a third of science students subscribed to some aspects of astrology, while some supposedly hard-headed businessmen now support a thriving market in "financial astrology" - paying for predictions of trends such as the rise and fall of the stock market. Astrology supplements have been known to increase newspaper circulation figures and papers are prepared to pay huge sums to the most popular stargazers.

            Some of the most popular figures in the field, such as Russell Grant, Mystic Meg and Shelley von Strunckel, can earn £600,000 or more a year.  A single profitable astrology website can be worth as much as £50 million.  When the Daily Mail discovered that its expert on the zodiac, Jonathan Cainer, was about to leave the newspaper in 1999, it reportedly offered him a £1 million salary and a £1 million bonus to stay. He still preferred the offer at the Daily Express: no salary but all the money from his telephone lines.

            The time-twins study is only the start of the bad news for astrologers, however. Dr Dean and Prof Kelly also sought to determine whether stargazers could match a birth chart to the personality profile of a person among a random selection.  They reviewed the evidence from more than 40 studies involving over 700 astrologers, but found the results turned out no better than guesswork.  The success rate did not improve even when astrologers were given all the information they asked for and were confident they had made the right choice. 

Dr Dean said the consistency of the findings weighed heavily against astrology.  "It has no acceptable mechanism, its principles are invalid and it has failed hundreds of tests," he said. "But no hint of these problems will be found in astrology books which, in effect, are exercises in deception."  Dr Dean is ready for a torrent of criticism. He said: "I'm probably the most hated person in astrology because I'm regarded as a turncoat."

 

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Wednesday, February 26, 2003

Is the Bible True or Not? - Wilderness Reflections – 5 – Meaning and Purpose of Life

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Wilderness Reflections – 5 – Meaning and Purpose of Life

Is the Bible True or Not?

Dear Fr. Gilles, we would greatly appreciate your input regarding religion class for our daughter.  Her teacher is stating that the story of Adam & Eve, Noah's Ark, and a large chunk of the Old Testament is myth.  She is frustrated and asking us whether the Old Testament is real or fictitious.  We have explained that The Bible is very real and feel that this approach to the Bible in a Catholic School does nothing to up build a 14-year old’s' faith.  Please help with insight.  Blessings, Your Friends.

My dear Friends, Parents, and Youth, this is simply a good opportunity for you to help each other make acquaintance with our secular culture - now's as good a time as any.  Our beloved Youth needs to see for herself the difference between looking with eyes, mind, and eyes of faith or looking with eyes and mind only.  For example:  "Adam and Eve is a myth" means that it happened so long ago that there were no movie cameras, no reporters, no tape recorders, and we have absolutely no documentation left at all from the time of that first man and woman.  That is true.

Some people use this fact to draw the conclusion that nothing in the Bible is real or can be trusted, often because they don't like parts of the Bible - especially the commandments - such as God really doesn't like adultery or stealing, because these things kill our spirit.  Others don't like the Church and so they want to discredit the source of the Church's authority, which is God's divinely inspired Word.  Others mean well, but there's something about this story and really all of the Bible which makes them feel uncomfortable; so they just dismiss it and rely on arguments from science to discredit the validity of the Bible.  They think they are doing something good, by exposing something old and unreliable, they think; so that young minds can venture into life without the burden that the Bible seems to put on people's minds and consciences.  We shouldn't blame them, they simply have never understood how to approach the Bible with respect as well as with intelligence.

Whether there actually was a first man called Adam and a first woman called Eve isn't really the point.  Keep in mind that Adam means "man" and Eve means "from man".  Let's make no mistake - there definitely was a first man and a first woman.  Apes didn't mysteriously and gradually become human - so that it would be impossible to tell who exactly the first humans were.  The best that the most brilliant scientists can do is formulate theories, and since the origins of humanity are buried in time, it is very difficult, if not impossible to test these theories.  This is an area of science where old stories have as much relevance as scientific theories.

Pope John Paul II is on record for saying that some scientific theories are not necessarily in disaccord with faith.  It's possible that God created man and woman in ways similar to the story told in Genesis.  It's also possible that the first human beings evolved from primates, but what made them human wasn't simply evolving, but God giving them a supernatural soul.  Once they received a soul within their body, they became "awake" and could now know God through personal experience.  They now had a conscience and could tell the difference between right and wrong.  They could now choose to love and put others first or refuse to do that.  They could receive from God spiritual gifts such as faith, which allows them to see with inner, spiritual insight into things and their inner meaning beyond what only their eyes or mind could reveal.   

A person of faith looks at the apparent mythical origins of Adam and Eve and sees that someone took the trouble to try to remember something about the first human beings in order to help their children remember the lessons to be learned from the experience of that first human couple.  This is where the Holy Spirit exercised his power - in the lives of the first couple themselves, who came to understand what happened to them and what it meant - in the lives of succeeding generations who tried to remember the story and the meaning of it for them, and in the lives of those who eventually recorded the story in the form we now have today, and finally, in the lives of those of us today who read the story and open our minds and hearts to receive the truths that God wants us to have so that we can face life and learn from the painful experience of Adam and Eve.

The central truth told in the story of Adam and Eve is that God created them and gave them a close relationship with Him.  There was a difference in the relationship that the man and woman had with God - Adam remembered God telling him not to eat of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, but Eve did not - she had to take Adam's word for it.  The tempter exploited this difference and the weakness in Eve's relationship with God and tempted her with knowledge that would make her equal to God.  She was tempted not to trust any longer that God would give them all good things and grab it for herself. 

When Adam went along with her, what they were doing was trying to make themselves into something more than what they were - they no longer trusted that what God had made them was good enough, they no longer trusted that what God was giving them would satisfy them.  What they were really doing was rejecting God's role in their lives - they were no longer satisfied with the way God was exercising his role in giving them life - they were deciding to take God's role over themselves and decide how to shape their own lives.  They would decide what is good and evil.  They believed the lie of the tempter that they were lacking some knowledge, and if they had it they would be equal to God.  They were lacking the experience, the taste of evil.  What the evil was that they tasted, the story does not tell, only that it appeared desirable to the eye and tasted sweet, but the result was very bitter. 

What exactly was the “original sin”?

If we extrapolate from the final results, namely, the shame this first couple felt over their nakedness; we may formulate a hypothesis that the evil they did had to do with their bodies. It may very well be that they were tempted not to patiently await the unfolding of God their Creator’s plan for the development of their intimate relations, but instead were tempted to take their cues from the other creatures around them. This is not at all a bad hypothesis, considering the current situation of the human species.

To this day we human beings are poised on a razor’s edge between a tender hearted and other centered view of our human sexuality, which seeks the good of the other ahead of one’s own desires, on the one hand; on the other hand, is the mad rush in every society and culture for seeking one’s own pleasure, which all too often is at the expense of the other’s well being and dignity. Men in particular are tempted to “take” pleasure from their woman – or even assorted women – with little or no concern about how the woman experiences them. As it turns out, what may be briefly pleasing for the man may actually be painful for the woman.

In effect, then, human beings sacrificed civility, kindness, tenderness, and genuine love of the other on the pagan altar of selfishness, impatience, unfettered emotion and impulsiveness. What God intended to be gracious and kind with tenderness has become violent, brutal, and destructive for the pursuer as well as the pursued.

Whatever the original sin was, as the direct result, the man and the woman now became ashamed of their nakedness, they became afraid of God and hid when He called them to walk with them in the afternoon in the Garden as He usually did with them. When God questioned them, they lied: Adam blamed Eve, and Eve blamed the serpent. Neither of them took responsibility for what they had done, so God had no choice but to let the evil consequences continue to grow inside them. God described what the effects would be like for them. 

Adam would be frustrated in all his efforts to cultivate the earth.  Eve would have a distorted, exaggerated desire for her husband - a kind of grabbing that would give her husband the impression he was being strangled; so he would react and dominate her with his strength.  They would suffer the loss of harmony with God, with each other, with the creatures and with the earth, because they had broken their trust in God, in each other, and in the earth - they broke their trust that everything God created would be sufficient to bring them happiness.  The desire of their heart became corrupt. 

So that is what the story is really about. It is the same with all the other stories in the Bible. They are all inspired by the Holy Spirit to remind us of truths that we have forgotten or never known.  Jesus said that the truth will set us free to know and love God, each other, and all God's creatures.  God created the world around us and He gives us a share in his responsibility to care for this world and do all we can to keep it in harmony.

May you have peace and love in Jesus, our Lord, Fr. Gilles      

Originally composed February 26th, 2003 

March 8th, 2021 

Gilles A. Surprenant, priest of Montreal, Associate of Madonna House Apostolate, & poustinik

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Tuesday, January 1, 2002

Annual Table of World Religions, 1900-2025 by David B. Barrett and Todd M. Johnson, Jan. 1, 2002

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Annual Table of World Religions, 1900-2025
by David B. Barrett and Todd M. Johnson, Jan. 1, 2002

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190019702000Trendmid-20022025
WORLD POPULATION   %/p.a.  
1. Total population1,619,626,0003,696,148,0006,055,049,0001.226,203,789,0007,823,703,000
2. Urban dwellers (urbanites)232,695,0001,353,370,0002,881,079,0001.902,991,572,0004,611,677,000
3. Rural dwellers1,386,931,0002,342,778,0003,173,970,0000.603,212,217,0003,212,026,000
4. Adult population (over 15s)1,074,058,0002,310,543,0004,254,647,0001.764,405,603,0005,987,079,000
5. Literates296,258,0001,475,194,0003,261,345,0001.763,377,265,0005,046,637,000
6. Non-literates777,800,000835,349,000993,302,0001.751,028,338,000940,442,000
WORLD CITIES      
7. Metropolises (over 100,000)3002,4004,0501.844,2006,500
8. Megacities (over 1 million)201614022.21420650
9. Urban poor100 million650 million1,400 million3.161,490 million3,000 million
10. Urban slumdwellers20 million260 million700 million2.82740 million1,500 million
WORLD RELIGIONS      
11. Total all religions1,0006,0009,9001.7010,20015,000
12. Christians (all kinds)558,132,0001,236,374,0001,999,564,0001.272,050,616,0002,616,670,000
13. Muslims199,941,000553,528,0001,188,243,0002.111,239,029,0001,784,876,000
14. Non-religious3,024,000532,096,000768,159,0000.80780,557,000875,121,000
15. Hindus203,003,000462,598,000811,336,0001.54836,543,0001,049,231,000
16. Buddhists127,077,000233,424,000359,982,0001.04367,538,000418,345,000
17. Atheists226,000165,400,000150,090,0000.24150,804,000159,544,000
18. New-Religionists5,910,00077,762,000102,356,0000.94104,280,000114,720,000
19. Ethno-religionists117,558,000160,278,000228,367,0001.30234,341,000277,247,000
20. Sikhs2,962,00010,618,00023,258,0001.8424,124,00031,378,000
21. Jews12,292,00014,763,00014,434,0000.8114,670,00016,053,000

Source: "Annual Statistical Table on Global Mission" by David B. Barrett & Todd M. Johnson in International Bulletin of Missionary Research, Jan 2002. An updated table can be found at: http://www.gordonconwell.edu/ockenga/globalchristianity/resources.htm


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Tuesday, December 11, 2001

Harry Potter? What Does God Have To Say?

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While the author of this article considers the simple matter of introducing a whole generation to the elements of witchcraft as an undesirable accomplishment; it remains true that a key part of what makes Harry and his friends heroic is their loyal friendship, their kindness to others, their solidarity in fighting against great evil, and their family values and concern for equality of dignity and treatment for all. G.S.

See also: Open Bible Info on Harry Potter 


Harry Potter? What Does God Have To Say?

I am writing this urgent message because I was once a witch. I lived by the stars as an astrologer and numerologist casting horoscopes and spells. I lived in the mysterious and shadowy realm of the occult. By means of spells and magic, I was able to invoke the powers of the "controlling unknown" and fly upon the night winds transcending the astral plane. Halloween was my favorite time of the year and I was intrigued and absorbed in the realm of Wiccan witchcraft. All of this was happening in the decade of the 1960’s when witchcraft was just starting to come out of the broom closet.

It was during that decade of the 1960’s, in the year 1966, that a woman named J.K. Rowling was born. This is the woman who has captivated the world in this year of 2000 with four books known as the "Harry Potter Series." These books are orientational and instructional manuals of witchcraft woven into the format of entertainment. These four books by J.K. Rowling teach witchcraft! I know this because I was once very much a part of that world.

Witchcraft was very different in the 1960’s. There were a lot fewer witches, and the craft was far more secretive. At the end of that spiritually troubled decade, I was miraculously saved by the power of Jesus Christ and His saving blood. I was also delivered from every evil spirit that lived in me and was set free. However, as I began to attend fundamental Christian churches, I realized that even there witchcraft had left its mark. Pagan holidays and sabats were celebrated as "Christian holidays."

As time went on, I watched the so-called "Christian" churches compromising and unifying. I also watched with amazement as teachings from Eastern religions and "New Age" doctrine began to captivate congregations. It was a satanic set-up, and I saw it coming. Illuministic conspirators were bringing forth a one-world religion with a cleverly concealed element of occultism interwoven in its teachings.

In order to succeed in bringing witchcraft to the world and thus complete satanic control, an entire generation would have to be induced and taught to think like witches, talk like witches, dress like witches, and act like witches. The occult songs of the 1960’s launched the Luciferian project of capturing the minds of an entire generation. In the song "Sound Of Silence" by Paul Simon and Art Garfunkel, we were told of seeds that were left while an entire generation was sleeping, and that the "vision that was planted in my brain still remains."

Now it is the year 2000. All of the foundations for occultism and witchcraft are in place. The Illuminists have to move quickly, because time is running out.

It was the Communist revolutionary Lenin who said, "Give me one generation of youth, and I will transform the entire world." Now an entire generation of youth has been given to a woman named J.K. Rowling and her four books on witchcraft, known as the Harry Potter Series.

As a former witch, I can speak with authority when I say that I have examined the works of Rowling and that the Harry Potter books are training manuals for the occult. Untold millions of young people are being taught to think, speak, dress and act like witches by filling their heads with the contents of these books. Children are obsessed with the Harry Potter books that they have left television and video games to read these witchcraft manuals.

The first book of the series, entitled "Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone", finds the orphan, Harry Potter, embarking into a new realm when he is taken to "Hogwart’s School of Witchcraft and Wizardry." At this occult school, Harry Potter learns how to obtain and use witchcraft equipment. Harry also learns a new vocabulary, including words such as "Azkaban", "Circe", "Draco", "Erised", "Hermes", and "Slytherin"; all of which are names of real devils or demons. These are not characters of fiction!

How serious is this? By reading these materials, many millions of young people are learning how to work with demon spirits. They are getting to know them by name. Vast numbers of children professing to be Christians are also filling their hearts and minds, while willingly ignorant parents look the other way.

The titles of the books should be warning enough to make us realize how satanic and anti-christ these books are. The afore mentioned title of the first book, "Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone", was a real give away. The second book was called "Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets", while the third book was entitled "Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban."

Sadly enough, this blatant witchcraft has been endorsed by well-known and respected "Christian" leaders, such as Dr. James Dobson and Chuck Colson, who have proven themselves to be modern day Judas Iscariots. Nothing could be more obvious than that Harry Potter books are pure witchcraft and of the devil. The "Christian" leaders, however, defend them by saying that good magic always wins and overcomes evil magic.

This is the oldest con game ever hatched out of hell. As a real witch, I learned about the two sides of "the force." Apparently, so do many "Christian" leaders. When real witches have sabats and esbats and meet as a coven, they greet each other by saying "Blessed be", and when they part, they say "The Force be with you." Both sides of this "Force" are Satan. It is not a good side of the force that overcomes the bad side of the force, but rather it’s the blood of Jesus Christ that destroys both supposed sides of the satanic "Force."

High level witches believe that there are seven satanic princes and that the seventh, which is assigned to Christians, has no name. In coven meetings, he is called "the nameless one." In the Harry Potter books, there is a character called "Voldemort." The pronunciation guide says of this being "He who must not be named."

On July 8 at midnight, bookstores everywhere were stormed by millions of children to obtain the latest and fourth book of the series known as "Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire." These books were taken into homes everywhere with a real evil spirit following each copy to curse those homes. July 8th was also the 18th day (three sixes in numerology) from the witches’ sabat of midsummer. July 8th was also the 13th day from the signing of the United Religions Charter in San Francisco. Now we have learned that the public school system is planning to use the magic of Harry Potter in the classrooms making the public schools centers of witchcraft training.

What does God have to say about such books as the Harry Potter series? In the Bible in the book of Acts, we read the following in the 19th chapter, verses 18 – 20: "And many that believed came, and confessed, and shewed their deeds. Many of them also which used curious arts brought their books together and burned them before all men: and they counted the price of them, and found it fifty thousand pieces of silver. So mightily grew the Word of God and prevailed."

As parents, we will answer to God if we allow our children to read witchcraft books. The Word of God will prevail mightily in your life only if such things of Satan are destroyed. This tract has been prayed over, and I hope it has helped you. If we may be of further assistance, please contact us.

Pastor David J. Meyer

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PLEASE NOTE: Pastor David J. Meyer, who died June 8, 2010, is remembered on the websites above. In his writing and preaching, Pastor Meyer labored in evangelical Christian tradition that looks upon the Roman Catholic Church with harsh judgement – many such Christians interpret the Vatican City State and the Holy See – the Pope, the Bishop of Rome and his Curia of close collaborators and their departments – to be designated by the “whore of Babylon” in the Book of Revelation.  

They make the common error not to understand that God was speaking of the “great city”, which is the center of human commerce and activity. To this day, the great city worldwide continues to be under the influence or control of the “prince of this world”, i.e. Satan. It is easy for any of us to judge wrongly and label those we watch “from afar” without really knowing them. Wherever we find human beings we necessarily find sinners. However, there are many there who are faithful to the Lord Jesus; so, we must not condemn everyone because of the sins of sinners, but we must discern the difference. If we fail to do this, then we find ourselves like Saul fighting against the Lord Jesus and persecuting Him.

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